Comments on: The Case For Credentialing – The Argument http://firehousezen.com/2009/05/30/the-case-for-credentialing-the-argument/ Deeper Discussion on Fire & Emergency Services Leadership Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:30:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Use of Faith-Based NGOs As Disaster Response Partners | Firehouse Zen http://firehousezen.com/2009/05/30/the-case-for-credentialing-the-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-329 Use of Faith-Based NGOs As Disaster Response Partners | Firehouse Zen Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:03:21 +0000 http://www.firehousezen.com/?p=432#comment-329 [...] industry.  If you are a long-time reader, you may recall our discussions in the past regarding disaster response and credentialing, and in an effort to dip back into some of the issues of disaster management, I’d like to point [...] [...] industry.  If you are a long-time reader, you may recall our discussions in the past regarding disaster response and credentialing, and in an effort to dip back into some of the issues of disaster management, I’d like to point [...]

]]> By: Firegeezer.com » Around the Fire Web http://firehousezen.com/2009/05/30/the-case-for-credentialing-the-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-175 Firegeezer.com » Around the Fire Web Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:29:30 +0000 http://www.firehousezen.com/?p=432#comment-175 [...] reading the Sunday paper.  Nobody does that anymore).  So get a fresh cup, relax and read Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4 and Part 5.  (I’ll have to write to him and tell him the story of the bogus [...] [...] reading the Sunday paper.  Nobody does that anymore).  So get a fresh cup, relax and read Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4 and Part 5.  (I’ll have to write to him and tell him the story of the bogus [...]

]]> By: Mick Mayers http://firehousezen.com/2009/05/30/the-case-for-credentialing-the-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-174 Mick Mayers Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:48:32 +0000 http://www.firehousezen.com/?p=432#comment-174 Freddie, et al; Thanks for the comments. In regard to the bystander response, I'm dying to find a report written by Quarantelli on spontaneous bystander response to the Guadalajara gasoline explosion- the link I put on here doesn't have the paper he wrote but some references to the research. It was a great paper that I have on pdf someplace, but can't find it on the internet anymore. I'll keep looking and if I can find it, I'll put it up for reading. Thanks again for your insight. Mick Freddie, et al;

Thanks for the comments. In regard to the bystander response, I’m dying to find a report written by Quarantelli on spontaneous bystander response to the Guadalajara gasoline explosion- the link I put on here doesn’t have the paper he wrote but some references to the research. It was a great paper that I have on pdf someplace, but can’t find it on the internet anymore. I’ll keep looking and if I can find it, I’ll put it up for reading.

Thanks again for your insight.

Mick

]]> By: Freddie M. Bell http://firehousezen.com/2009/05/30/the-case-for-credentialing-the-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-180 Freddie M. Bell Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:39:04 +0000 http://www.firehousezen.com/?p=432#comment-180 You've had some great threads about this subject; I've spent lots of time reading (and re-reading) them in order to formulate my responses for you. You'll probably see me posting in the other threads. Maybe this can help make my responses more clear than if I were to make a single response covering all the thoughts you've presented. First, here's my take on bystanders: they're extremely valuable. Here's how I can see the value of bystanders during a hypothetical hurricane scenario: In many cases, bystanders can make rescues and/or offer assistance well before the arrival of professional rescuers. For example, how many people pull neighbors from collapsed structures and offer first aid after hurricanes?? After hurricanes, how many live people do professional rescuers remove from collapsed structures? The bystander happens to be in the right place at the right time to offer assistance which, otherwise, may not arrive for quite some time. Also, after your arrival, these citizens can be extremely valuable to you. They can provide intelligence (how many stayed? how many lived in that house?) and physical labor for moving equipment through/across downed trees, etc. People want to help. As the incident commander at this incident, I can assist people with their desire to help by assigning tasks for them (and help me control them) and assist my company(s) by using the company's higher skills and training for other purposes while the bystanders help with physically moving equipment to needed locations. As for credentialing bystanders? A system for "credentialing" these people has existed for several years. Unfortunately, our county emergency management organizations (in SC) haven't been very succesful in publicizing, organizing, training, and/or using Community Emergency Response Teams (CERT). Having residents organized and trained to assist themselves and their neighbors during and after an emergency? What a concept! The glory hounds? Like you, I detest the idiots. I am angered by having to dedicate my valuable time to dealing with the idiots when I could be more focused on the incident. I have no mercy for jerks like you mentioned. You’ve had some great threads about this subject; I’ve spent lots of time reading (and re-reading) them in order to formulate my responses for you. You’ll probably see me posting in the other threads. Maybe this can help make my responses more clear than if I were to make a single response covering all the thoughts you’ve presented.

First, here’s my take on bystanders: they’re extremely valuable. Here’s how I can see the value of bystanders during a hypothetical hurricane scenario: In many cases, bystanders can make rescues and/or offer assistance well before the arrival of professional rescuers. For example, how many people pull neighbors from collapsed structures and offer first aid after hurricanes?? After hurricanes, how many live people do professional rescuers remove from collapsed structures? The bystander happens to be in the right place at the right time to offer assistance which, otherwise, may not arrive for quite some time. Also, after your arrival, these citizens can be extremely valuable to you. They can provide intelligence (how many stayed? how many lived in that house?) and physical labor for moving equipment through/across downed trees, etc.

People want to help. As the incident commander at this incident, I can assist people with their desire to help by assigning tasks for them (and help me control them) and assist my company(s) by using the company’s higher skills and training for other purposes while the bystanders help with physically moving equipment to needed locations.

As for credentialing bystanders? A system for “credentialing” these people has existed for several years. Unfortunately, our county emergency management organizations (in SC) haven’t been very succesful in publicizing, organizing, training, and/or using Community Emergency Response Teams (CERT). Having residents organized and trained to assist themselves and their neighbors during and after an emergency? What a concept!

The glory hounds? Like you, I detest the idiots. I am angered by having to dedicate my valuable time to dealing with the idiots when I could be more focused on the incident. I have no mercy for jerks like you mentioned.

]]> By: truck6alpha http://firehousezen.com/2009/05/30/the-case-for-credentialing-the-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-173 truck6alpha Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:51:13 +0000 http://www.firehousezen.com/?p=432#comment-173 Well, John, that's a good question. I mentioned the one in our neigborhood (literally) and then there's another in upstate SC called STARR. In both cases we have tried to get these people to talk to use because frankly, in my limited amount of canine experience (canines and communications are voodoo disciplines to me) I have been consistently reassured that a live-find canine isn't the same as a cadaver canine. If it were, I've been told, that would be a hell of a dog. But what makes it even better is when they say this dog will also find your missing pet. So if this is the case, what is the dog tracking when we're out on a real live pile? Has he hit on a live person? Is it a deceased victim? Is it Fluffy? Or is it a t-bone? I don't know who all the "certifying" agencies are out there, but given the fly-by-night nature of some of these guys, I'll just stick with the pros I am sure about- people like Theresa McPherson, Jim Bastan, Roxanne Dunn, and Debra Burnett, as well as the people from my task force who I trust implicitly. But I'll talk more about this in my next post anyway. Thanks. Well, John, that’s a good question. I mentioned the one in our neigborhood (literally) and then there’s another in upstate SC called STARR. In both cases we have tried to get these people to talk to use because frankly, in my limited amount of canine experience (canines and communications are voodoo disciplines to me) I have been consistently reassured that a live-find canine isn’t the same as a cadaver canine. If it were, I’ve been told, that would be a hell of a dog. But what makes it even better is when they say this dog will also find your missing pet.

So if this is the case, what is the dog tracking when we’re out on a real live pile? Has he hit on a live person? Is it a deceased victim? Is it Fluffy? Or is it a t-bone?

I don’t know who all the “certifying” agencies are out there, but given the fly-by-night nature of some of these guys, I’ll just stick with the pros I am sure about- people like Theresa McPherson, Jim Bastan, Roxanne Dunn, and Debra Burnett, as well as the people from my task force who I trust implicitly.

But I’ll talk more about this in my next post anyway. Thanks.

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